For eg., we do not see browser but we see the name firefox.Yes, we see Firefox, but we don't see Mozilla
>> I mention uninstall.exe, 804k, should follow high level naming convention. U mention u did not see the point. When I suggest, naming convention I mention most commercial software product and I provide an example hoping the person understand. I pick one product just to convey idea and the point. They pick a file name firefox and not generic name like uninstall or browser. And if u had one file called firefox and a duplicate file with name of mozilla, I would say u are being finance by hd manufacturer and I will be screaming godzilla about wasting my hd space. Just to let u know without researching, firefox is the brand name of a browser and mozilla is the company or publisher. I am not debating organization chart of mozilla but product branding.
If u want to use proper naming methodology, I will call the 804k file, zsoft.exe. Also, u define to the shortcut icon to execute that file name. It will not be confusing because this is invisible to normal users since download package work appropriately in that stand alone and downloaded package. It simple if u want to do.
When I click on the magnify glass, I see apop up window. In that pop up window, I can toggle for ANALYZE an application or toggle for uninstall of an application. Now, that pop up window allows me to do one of two things. Sarcastically, what did I click to get that pop up window? I click the magnify glass name and I am trying to complain on that word or label name for that magnify glass - ANALYZE. Tell u what, find someone who never use your product. Tell them u have applications installed and u want to test users ease of use to uninstall an application. That all u going to say and just observe. If I am that first time user and u ask, I will not click on magnify glass for it says Analyze. I will look for icons related to UNINSTALL.
Now, if u name that magnify glass to a name to mean and to do either then first timers will know to zero in on that icon. I suggested zsoft to bring attention to that icon. Not only am I suggesting a problem, I am also proposing a solution. Problem there and would like users to suggest more meaningful name for that magnify icon.
Alright, you might be right that 'Analyze' is not the best name, but I don't see 'ZSoft' being it either
Besides, if you are a first-time user who want to uninstall something, you should go to the uninstall-icon, not the analyze icon As a first-time user you only go to the analyze-icon when you are supposed to install something...
>> If I am first time user and I want to do an uninstall, I would have a problem if I am a monkey (too complex for that monkey has to have some familiarity with highlighting selection). I would not be able to uninstall without reading and I hope documentation is clear.
Now, monkey first time action as first time user is click uninstall and monkey would say where is the action and reaction. LOL for there is no feedback and monkey goes banana. (note: monkey refer to illiterate / non-computer user).
U suggested first time user downloaded product and they are NOT doing a monitor uninstall (u got to be f#!%@ kidding me!! Like they need crap remaining in registry after uninstall and your product does a clean uninstall using snapshot log, I hope. If first timer not using uninstall log, I do not want to name call, swear, and hurl insult.).
About the Tool-menu... another user pointed out that 'Analyze' doesn't fit that description as it is not a tool, but a 'main-feature' - which I agree to. I still think it should be in the menu as well, but not in a group called 'Tools' (yeah, I know that's where it's currently is, but I'm going to move it at some point )
>> Is that user reading our discussion? Ask what he/she thinks about zsoft as the name replacement for Analyze or name suggestion.
Personally, more detail on u saying it should be in menu but if user knows to target that pop up box then we do not it in menu. The key to any product is simplicity and we avoid by slapping all these signs.
If u call that magnify glass icon, zsoft, then u do not have problem for it is the main feature. Users will know to target that icon since it is name zsoft.
Zsoft is the right name for u kinda said it is but u have not realize it is the right name. Remember, we discuss the heart of your product and that is to do install and uninstall and that is what people want - zsoft. That the meaning of zsoft, an application uninstaller which works by taking snapshots. Now, when user click zsoft icon or zsoft, we see the pop up box where user select toggle uninstall or install. Guys, help me convince the admin to use that name for now.
=>=>=> Oh, Oh, oh. What about replacing Analyze with the word Manage or Manager
but I still like zsoft (short and no translation required).
Tools - the only one we need is verrrrrrry gooood reg cleaner on unmonitored/unlog install. Go back to my design suggestion on lean and mean. That is why I hated that prior commercial product-adding crap and I do not know how good is that crap.
-->> The hunter in revo useful if u see a black(unknown) box and u want to know what file it creating or executing that, then hunter is useful for I see the executed file name. Now, that feature to do is 6 out of 10 to do. M to do list is base on need, size of coding, number of tools in application, vote response saying yes, ...
I wish if other users get in on the debate to create an interface that even monkeys (phrase to mean any user) can deduce. I guess it is very easy to use for nobody is stating any negative and that good news for u. Okay, I am whining.
Perhaps... but it might also just be so hard to use that people aren't finding the 'advanced features' :/ [/quote]
>> We are just discussing naming terminology. They spend time brain storming for a meaningful name for I will identify the problem areas. Or they send u paypal and is another form of support.
Dont lose any sleep on it.
Have trust in some people, define your beta in tasklist, prototype the layout interface, inform all users to go there and critique, give them 3 months with mention on each web page. Implement and u will have less design maintenance but logic problem is good algorithm from square one. Oh, then u will have good sleep.
Happy Easter and Good Friday.
You too. Saturday, though... now
Boy are we going to debate on this too and glad u did not notice GF comes before E (artistic merit to start with happy). I sent msg on Good Friday. Easter around the corner. Now, if u saw msg after the fact u can mention but if u see, just say thanks. Thanks.
> Sent u email with print screen of problem. If u need more details on my computer feel free
-->> In last post, I mentioned: 'In another note, how do u analyze an install. Toggle analyze to on, click next, check-mark drive C, and then what others steps (several) do u do??', u did not respond
>In another note, confirm the following, I ... check-box. The variables to remember check-boxes after my first time use, are they save or written to a file. If yes I am happy for I did complain about those boxes and I propose a solution. U said u were going to save the variables for future usage rather than implement my suggestion.
>> backup log is copy of log for normal programmer. Advance programmer use merge.- new backup log is old backup log merge with current log. Why? People can use backup log to store all there zulogs! Pack-rats can do manual house-keepjng/delete but at least they would not gripe about losing any zulog file like I did in 2.4. I would need to pack-rat like that if I do not have a hd backup. Or provide function to export the log. It just a matter of allowing user to change default drive, default dir, default/rename log before copying. Give user control on where to store zulog backup if zulogs are important. Do I have to lecture the importance of exporting important files? All I am saying is give user control to change some of the copy instructions prior to u doing copying and thus it becomes export.
> LOL, your finder tool actually a very basic cleaner or file and folder tool. Let's have zsoft cleaner with more bite and related to a clean uninstall without zulog - separate the men from the boys(temp - my browser has that option to clean). Did I mention I think your uninstall of DAP without using zulog does not do a clean job.
Just to remove one application without zulog (u know why I lost zulog and stop lol), I am going nuts for each zillion found entry, menu driven del with menu driven confirmation. Yikes. Help. Nice to search for publisher, software in Key name, value name, value data with one click confirm for all That is a tool for it is related to uninstall with control or power to user. This tool useful after ms or crappy uninstall and allows me to regedit without all these clicking.
Tested your start-up manager by requesting one prog not auto start. Restart and ok. Just wondering, is there anything wrong or u dislike with microsoft start-up manager?
Prior, u mention questionable code in beta 2.5 not activated and thus no problem. When u do activate, can u please let us know so we will be careful on that version and your concern for danger. Since that code not being activated, I will remove 2.4 from my system for u kinda assured me log creation is working correctly in 2.5. When will u activate that code so we can test that for u?