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General Support / Re: Prototyping Zsoft tasklist on beta 2.5
« on: April 01, 2008, 06:30:58 am »
If that is the way how u want users to discover your product then so be it.
It isn't necessarily how i _want_ users to discover ZU, I just think it's the most realistic way...
Maybe i could add an annoying first-time-popup-thingy like the 'did you know?'... hmm... I personally hate that, but what do you think?
>>U are young today. U remind me of when I did a joint project. We were both stubborn and we both believe we were using the right approach. As I get older, I cannot recall the details of solutiion. All I can tell myself today, think she is right for she fought with passion.
See a problem and spend more time thinking and with luck u might come with a solution. I admire the Japanese, simplistic and well thought design - less is more. No, pop-up box is not the solution. The solution is already there. U just want the user to activate your so called Analyze and when they see, it becomes self explanatory. U want user to target or click on that box u called Analyze. I suggest the name of Manager for it is a high level naming. I mention and ask what u think. I guess u did not see for I tried very hard to make u notice.

No, I was not talking about msconfig and was just setting u up to understand you. For readers using vista, do not use msconfig to disable services, safer approach type "services.msc" in the Run box. I use bad approach and knock on wood.
Just for the record, services and auto-starting programs are not (exactly) the same...
>> I never said it was the same. If u recall, I commented about start-up manager and u brought up the topic of msconfig. If u look at my reply, u would realize I talked  about start-up. To make post informative to readers who wants to use msconfig  on Vista, I told users to look at service.msc instead of making a mistake and thus need luck(knock on wood).
If u look at my post, I mention microsoft start-up manager is more professionally written than your start-up. I have use a lot of different startup manager and your interface / display not par to any. Sorry. Sys configuration, startup is provided by MS.
Personally, if u really want to implement then execute those ms library/exe file. No harm using some ms exe program for some commercial software use ms like ms chkdsk. Remember, u said u want users to run from one place and u are honoring that ideology.
>> If u also recall, I disagree having those functions/tools in your application. I suggested  coding on reducing those clicks. Since the confirmations  are not written to a save file settings, it means we have to initialize on every first usage. If u were willing to implement my design, I would have made another attempt for u to understand my suggested design.
Personally, I would not implement those confirmation but to compromise, I suggested one click confirmation
> Have not compare whether ms disk cleanup, which removes temp file, does a better job than your uninstaller temp tool. It just a matter of what type of temps to clean. Personally, have been using various good review one click cleaning utilities and no reason to use unknowns(ms, zsoft tools, and not that paranoid to be happy with firefox cleanup).

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I don't have [access to] Vista (and quite frankly don't want to, either  ;)), but I personally think that the msconfig thing (I think that's the only thing build-in to WinXP) isn't the most userfriendly app in the world...
> I have no choice for the system came with that. Would eventually put vista and xp on system.I hate HP pre-installed nasty promo software more

Ahh... First of all I think the keyword in what I said was 'might'. Secondly it was a thought example, and I simply wanted to point out that adding new features wouldn't, per se, effect the 'old program', thus, if you don't want/need the new features, you don't have to use them, and they shouldn't bother you...
>Tx for understandable and descriptive info.

PS: My posting would be coming to an end for I have other matters to attend in the future. If u dont understand today, one day.u will. tx[/quote]

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General Support / Re: Prototyping Zsoft tasklist on beta 2.5
« on: March 27, 2008, 02:21:55 am »
Sorry about the late reply, I've been kind of busy with some other stuff...
> I expect u to spend more time on developing and other jobs for this is just interfacing discussion. :)

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The naming methodology thing... Mozilla Firefox is the full product name, Mozilla is the developer/company/whatever, Firefox is the name of the product. Executable is called firefox.exe.
ZSoft Software is the full product name, ZSoft is the developer/me/whatever, Uninstaller is the name of the product (kind >of, anyway). Executable is called uninstaller...
Either way, renaming it now _would_ create problems for some users. You made a custom shortcut, or just moved a 'created-upon-installation'-one? After a rename it won't work...
A such change will do more harm than good.
> Sorry, but did not know the full product name is a generic and plain name "uninstaller".  :o Since u are following high level naming convention, then this case is close.  :) Just letting u know, there are different types of uninstaller and would have like to find your product sooner which uses snapshot algorithm for my vista. Found due to lot reading on software to install on my vista. Even using download.com initially, I did not come across your product but knock on wood.

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First time user ting... As I see it, a standard approach to becoming a ZU user (hey, maybe 'zu.exe' should be the name of the executable... won't be though ;)) would be like this:
User wants to uninstall some program
User loads up add/remove, finds that it suck
User goes to google or download.com or something looking for an alternative, finds ZU.
User starts ZU, uninstalls the application (without logs etc.).
User is happy... perhaps, though, the user figure out the ZU can do more than that... eventually...
> If that is the way how u want users to discover your product then so be it. Luckily, I am familiar with your application technique prior to using and so I appreciated your product immediately. :)

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Either way, though, a first time user can't uninstall with the log-option, as the user does not have a log of the application. To be able to use the feature the user will have to analyze, install a new application, analyze and then, eventually uninstall with the log... (and no, analyze, reinstall, analyze won't do you any good as it will most likely not change your system).
> Was just trying to say users should be aware of analyze first upon first time users using your product. :)

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The I didn't respond part: Your right, I didn't... why? I didn't understand what you meant. Sorry.
> No offense taken but was just trying to mention some first time users would have to discover how to use product. ::)

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Backup thing: I could easily add a 'Backup log files' menu item, allowing you to back the logs up to wherever you want it...
> Good. Most product provides this flexibility for we know logs are important to your system. Nice if we can specify which log directory to use from when we do zulog uninstall. Sorry like u did not have  enough work.. LOL ;D

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Startup-manager: I don't dislike MS start-up manager (suppose your talking about msconfig, right?), I just don't necessarily see it as userfriendly... I like my version better :)
> No, I was not talking about msconfig and was just setting u up to understand you. For readers using vista, do not use msconfig to disable services, safer approach type "services.msc" in the Run box. I use bad approach and knock on wood.
U mention zsoft should be one application with all needs in your application for I did complain about redundancy. I was going to mention calling the Ms startup manager from your application rather than rewriting what ms is doing. In vista, they have same concept as yours with uncheck box to remove from auto startup. Ms startup in vista is more professional. Cannot recall XP pro interface is like vista. I think it is and trying to say, use a call to ms start-up exe. Use ms or u have more coding to do. Interfacing challenge exercise of ms appl to your appl but less coding and thus work. Do u have access to vista?

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Questionably code: I'm sorry, what? I don't think I've said that...
> http://forum.zsoft.dk/index.php/topic,188.msg953.html#msg953
> U mention in repy 9 in my topic regarding losing zulog. Zsoft internals. Here's the quote:
First of all all the new planned/already included features (in 2.5) has to do with uninstalling (kind of, anyway).
Secondly the new stuff is 'offers' hidden away in menus (mostly).
Thirdly it is new segments in the code. Even though the new stuff might be buggy it won't interfere with the old stuff (unless it of course crashes everything, but it won't do that unless you use it Wink).
 >> Was asking about unless u use what??? .Wink). I got it now that u believe all working correctly and my concern was zulog file creation working properly for zulog creation is important on my virgin installs. Hate doing manual regedit.

> Take your time to respond for u would give me time to edit this post, utilize highlights, gather info, etc. . I post during my breaks. Tx. :)

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General Support / Re: Prototyping Zsoft tasklist on beta 2.5
« on: March 23, 2008, 07:36:12 am »
For eg., we do not see  browser but we see the name firefox.
Yes, we see Firefox, but we don't see Mozilla ;) :P
>> I mention  uninstall.exe, 804k, should follow high level naming convention. U mention u did not see the point. When I suggest, naming convention I mention most commercial software product and I provide an example hoping the person understand. I pick one product just to convey idea and the point. They pick a file name firefox and not generic name like uninstall or browser. And if u had one file called firefox and a duplicate file with name of mozilla, I would say u are being finance by hd manufacturer and I will be screaming godzilla about wasting my hd space. Just to let u know without researching, firefox is the brand name of a browser and mozilla is the company or publisher. I am not debating organization chart of mozilla but product branding.
If u want to use proper naming methodology, I will call the 804k file, zsoft.exe. Also, u define to the shortcut icon to execute that file name. It will not be confusing because this is invisible to normal users since  download package work appropriately in that stand alone and downloaded package. It simple if u want to do.

When I click on the magnify glass, I see apop up window. In that pop up window, I can  toggle for ANALYZE an application or  toggle for uninstall of an application. Now, that pop up window allows me to do one of two things. Sarcastically, what did I click to get that pop up window? I click the magnify glass name and I am trying to complain on that word or label name for that magnify glass - ANALYZE. Tell u what, find someone who never use your product. Tell them u have applications installed and u want to test users ease of use to uninstall an application. That all u going to say and just observe. If I am that first time user and u ask, I will not click on magnify glass for it says Analyze. I will look for icons related to UNINSTALL.
Now, if u name that magnify glass to a name to mean and to do either then first timers will know to zero in on that icon. I suggested zsoft to bring attention to that icon. Not only am I suggesting a problem, I am also proposing a solution. Problem there and would like users to suggest more meaningful name for that magnify icon.
Alright, you might be right that 'Analyze' is not the best name, but I don't see 'ZSoft' being it either ;)
Besides, if you are a first-time user who want to uninstall something, you should go to the uninstall-icon, not the analyze icon ;) As a first-time user you only go to the analyze-icon when you are supposed to install something...
>> If I am first time user and I want to do an uninstall, I would have a problem if I am a monkey (too complex for that monkey has to have some familiarity with highlighting selection). I would not be able to uninstall without reading and I hope documentation is clear.
Now, monkey first time action as first time user is click uninstall and monkey would say where is the action and reaction. LOL for there is no feedback and monkey goes banana. (note: monkey refer to illiterate / non-computer user). 

U suggested first time user downloaded  product and they are NOT doing a monitor uninstall (u got to be f#!%@ kidding me!! Like they need crap remaining in registry after uninstall and your product does a clean uninstall using snapshot log, I hope. If first timer not using uninstall log, I do not want to name call, swear, and hurl insult.).

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About the Tool-menu... another user pointed out that 'Analyze' doesn't fit that description as it is not a tool, but a 'main-feature' - which I agree to. I still think it should be in the menu as well, but not in a group called 'Tools' (yeah, I know that's where it's currently is, but I'm going to move it at some point  :))
>> Is that user reading our discussion? Ask what he/she thinks about zsoft as the name replacement for Analyze or name suggestion.
Personally, more detail on u saying it should be in menu but if user knows to target that pop up box then we do not it in menu. The key to any product is simplicity and we avoid by slapping all these signs.

If u call that magnify glass icon, zsoft, then u do not have problem for it is the main feature. Users will know to target that icon since it is name zsoft.
Zsoft is the right name for u kinda said it is but u have not realize it is the right name. Remember, we discuss the heart of your product and that is to do install and uninstall and that is what people want - zsoft. That the meaning of zsoft, an application uninstaller which works by taking snapshots. Now, when user click zsoft icon or zsoft, we see the pop up box where user select toggle uninstall or install. Guys, help me convince the admin to use that name for now.
=>=>=> Oh, Oh, oh. What about replacing Analyze with the word Manage or Manager  ???  but I still like zsoft (short and no translation required).

Tools - the only one we need is verrrrrrry gooood reg cleaner on unmonitored/unlog install. Go back to my design suggestion on lean and mean. That is why I hated that prior commercial product-adding crap and I do not know how good is that crap.
-->> The hunter in revo useful if u see a black(unknown) box and u want to know what file it creating or executing that, then hunter is useful for I see the executed file name. Now, that feature to do is 6 out of 10 to do. M to do list is base on need, size of coding, number of tools in application, vote response saying yes, ...

I wish if other users get in on the debate to create an interface that even monkeys (phrase to mean any user) can deduce. I guess it is very easy to use for nobody is stating any negative and that good news for u. Okay, I am whining.
Perhaps... but it might also just be so hard to use that people aren't finding the 'advanced features' :/ [/quote]
>> We are just discussing naming terminology. They spend time brain storming for a meaningful name for I will identify the problem areas. Or they send u paypal and is another form of support.

Dont lose any sleep on it.
;D
Have trust in some people, define your beta in tasklist, prototype the layout interface, inform all users to go there and critique, give them 3 months with mention on each web page. Implement and u will have less design maintenance but logic problem is good algorithm from square one. Oh, then u will have good sleep.

Happy Easter and Good Friday.
You too. Saturday, though... now :)
Boy are we going to debate on this too and glad u did not notice GF comes before E (artistic merit to start with happy). I sent msg on Good Friday. Easter around the corner. Now, if u saw msg after the fact u can mention but if u see, just say thanks. Thanks.

> Sent u email with print screen of problem. If u need more details on my computer feel free

-->> In last post, I mentioned: 'In another note, how do u analyze an install. Toggle analyze to on, click next, check-mark drive C, and then what others steps (several) do u do??', u did not respond

>In another note,  confirm the following, I ... check-box. The variables to remember check-boxes after my first time use, are they save or written to a file. If yes I am happy for I did complain about those boxes and I propose a solution. U said u were going to save the variables for future usage rather than implement my suggestion.

>> backup log is copy of log for normal programmer. Advance programmer use merge.- new backup log is old backup log merge with current log. Why? People can use backup log to store all there zulogs! Pack-rats  can do manual house-keepjng/delete but at least they would not gripe about losing any zulog file like I did in 2.4. I would need to pack-rat like that if I do not have a hd backup. Or provide function to export the log. It just a matter of allowing user to change default drive, default dir, default/rename log  before copying. Give user control on where to store zulog backup if zulogs are important. Do I have to lecture the importance of exporting important files? All I am saying is give user control to change some of the copy instructions prior to u doing copying and thus it becomes export.
> LOL, your finder tool actually a very basic cleaner or file and folder tool. Let's have zsoft cleaner with more bite and related to a clean uninstall without zulog - separate the men from the boys(temp - my browser has that option to clean). Did I mention I think your uninstall of DAP without using zulog does not do a clean job.
Just to remove one application without zulog (u know why I lost zulog and stop lol), I am going nuts for each zillion found entry, menu driven del with menu driven confirmation. Yikes. Help. Nice to search for publisher, software in Key name, value name, value data with one click confirm for all That is a tool for it is related to uninstall with control or power to user. This tool useful after ms or crappy uninstall and allows me to regedit without all these clicking.

Tested your start-up manager by requesting one prog not auto start. Restart and ok. Just wondering,  is there anything wrong or u dislike with microsoft start-up manager?

Prior, u mention questionable code in beta 2.5 not activated and thus no problem. When u do activate, can u please let us know so we will be careful on that version and your concern for  danger. Since that code not being activated, I will remove 2.4 from my system for u kinda assured me log creation is working correctly in 2.5. When will u activate that code so we can test that for u?

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General Support / Re: Prototyping Zsoft tasklist on beta 2.5
« on: March 21, 2008, 06:00:09 pm »
>Use the rename uninstall or copy uninstall zsoft.
Well, it's every time, easy forgettable, will destroy every shortcut to the application a user already has etc. Still don't see the point.
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> I see the point in the name of uninstall already in use and short cut to application will create confusion for some users
. So, if u want to leave like that. Go ahead.
   In reference to don't see the point, other software "application name" is "name of the product". For eg., we do not see  browser but we see the name firefox. It just naming methodology. Look at any commercial software and they use the name of software for application execution or launch of product. Was suggesting that short cut icon point to a file called zsoft  uninstall or zsoft instead of uninstall.

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How does ANALYZE has meaning for uninstall. When u click the magnify glass, user is given the zsoft heart of uninstall or monitor an installation. Vote survey.
It has meaning because that's what it does. It analyzes an installation. And as I see it, it might be the 'biggest selling point', but it isn't 'the heart of the application'. Many users don't probably only want a replacement for add/remove - basic uninstallation is the 'heart of the application' imo...
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>>> That s why I dwnld prog, to uninstall or install applic. Now, I have hd bckup of my system to do same.
> When I click on the magnify glass, I see a pop up window. In that pop up window, I can  toggle for ANALYZE an application or  toggle for uninstall of an application. Now, that pop up window allows me to do one of two things. Sarcastically, what did I click to get that pop up window? I click the magnify glass name and I am trying to complain on that word or label name for that magnify glass - ANALYZE. Tell u what, find someone who never use your product. Tell them u have applications installed and u want to test users ease of use to uninstall an application. That all u going to say and just observe. If I am that first time user and u ask, I will not click on magnify glass for it says Analyze. I will look for icons related to UNINSTALL.
Now, if u name that magnify glass to a name to mean and to do either then first timers will know to zero in on that icon. I suggested zsoft to bring attention to that icon. Not only am I suggesting a problem, I am also proposing a solution. Problem there and would like users to suggest more meaningful name for that magnify icon.
--->> In another note, how do u analyze an install. Toggle analyze to on, click next, check-mark drive C, and then what others steps (several) do u do??
>> Conclusion; In 2.4, u did not have tools and drop down box. In 2.5 u have Tool, and drop down box with Analyze, ...
By having TOOL, any monkey can use. From there, I click Analyze for most likely choice of the three, then I see the analyze box, I see I can do install or uninstall. I can live with that. When I use 2.4, it was not difficult for me to use for I had experience with other product. I was just crticial of 2.4.and use of that word for first timers. Case close.  :)

We agree on tmp file box.  :) Too bad u have to maintain program. If u had prototype that interface, I would have critique earlier and thus make life easier for u.

Thia is very low level bug and u should see Only scan top-leve and then the start button. Start button in foreground. If u are not seeing then let leave at that for now. Been awhile I have screen snapshot. Any software recommendation. Have to go to backup hd and try to recall my snippet program name to find.
My keyboard has a 'Print Screen' button :P
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> Tx for telling me. Now, I have to find it-Save Screen. I getting back to computers for  Print Screen means what is displayed is printed on the printer and that what I use for when I had dot matrix printer. Then I had my friend snapshot prog. Have not use those buttons for long time for I normally do not test other people product or as a job a long time ago. U are different.
Vista has snipping tool and that why I mention back hd for I did not see in all prog, access. Anyway, snapshot take and will email.  :)

If above simple things are too much work then things to share requires more maintenance by u and lot of documentation  by me. I wait for other readers response / vote survey to get u going on these simple changes. If I cannot have them for these changes, then no way can I get for that overhaul.
I have to admit, that it is not so much about 'to much work' as it is about me not agreeing with everything you say ;)
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> I wish if other users get in on the debate to create an interface that even monkeys (phrase to mean any user) can deduce. I guess it is very easy to use for nobody is stating any negative and that good news for u. Only I am whining.

The bug report: I have to admit that I can't really see anything from it :(
It looks like you clicked the 'Temp File Finder' button, and it 'bugged' at "tmpFileSearcher.ShowModal;" which doesn't make a lot of sense. Dont lose any sleep on it. It was on first time entry and usage and that what I did - just click on that button. When I click again after bug report, no error msg. Keep an eye if other users mention similar. More first time usage testing on that feature (Instal zsoft on virgin computer to try and dup- my comp no longer a virgin zsoft install). If bug, nothing destructive..
Dont try to make sense, verify initialization   ;) done properly, and put some tracer variables when or if other users get similar.[/quote]

Happy Easter and Good Friday.

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General Support / Re: Prototyping Zsoft tasklist on beta 2.5
« on: March 19, 2008, 02:43:12 am »
Zsoft application file should be called zsoft rather than uninstall. This name does not properly identify the application association. Also, top level naming methodology.
To much work... doesn't matter in my eyes.
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> Use the rename uninstall or copy uninstall zsoft. How much work is that? Programming 101, use meaningful words for variables and files. Luckily, I know to click for 2.5beta but other users might not be that lucky. Vote survey

The word ANALYZE under the magnifying glass should be called Zsoft.
No. Analyze has meaning. ZSoft is just a name.
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> How does ANALYZE has meaning for uninstall. When u click the magnify glass, user is given the zsoft heart of uninstall or monitor an installation. Vote survey.

In empty folder finder, start scan button overlap the L. Size of start button open to debate but I believe in uniformity of the OS system.
Hmm... not the case here... Picture please =)
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> Thia is very low level bug and u should see Only scan top-leve and then the start button. Start button in foreground. If u are not seeing then let leave at that for now. Been awhile I have screen snapshot. Any software recommendation. Have to go to backup hd and try to recall my snippet program name to find.

I have additional simple suggestion for 2.4 that I dislike   in major / important pop up that is the heart of this product).
Please share =)
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> If above simple things are too much work then things to share requires more maintenance by u and lot of documentation  by me. I wait for other readers response / vote survey to get u going on these simple changes. If I cannot have them for these changes, then no way can I get for that overhaul.

have the bug report log and would send to you.
Please send it to me :)
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> Do u want to laugh at me like how I seperate uninstall application from language. It was around that time, my first time usage. Sent wed mar 20/2008

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Hi,
Agree, one player for I care about disk space. But if  one module kick ass and  other component sucks then I am saying -  bloated with mediocore crap. Just trying to say think twice then think again.  Want u to play devil advocate on the selection , see from different perspective - devil advocate. I do not want u to fall into the trap of putting a common features when there are more pressing priority.  I am trying to be your conscience who is  not emotionally attach and blinded by project. At the end of day, make add-on superior ideally or par with competition. To make life easy, survey vote and ask users to rank by needs.  Implement the 3 out of 5 needs.
Side note: player preference Media Player classic II, vlc MP, GOM MP. Or converter preferences  are super, media coder, any video converter.  Now u can say show off for not on computer yet but I promote good and free software.  :)

I state above case and let us leave it at that. Just trying to protect u. I have a feeling u are doing in 2.5, the hidden. After using zsoft to uninstall Dap, I ran some reg cleaners. The cleaners pointed to some reg related to c:/program/dap. Please note this was tested  once and normally I do second time to report with exact details. So take this dap with a grain of salt. Now, if u have a cleaner then that is a needed and they would go hand in hand. Maybe u are doing a cleaner but not telling the users. For cleaners, I have to use several because each one does a part and I try to get the sum of part by running 5 reg cleaners. Now, if u have THE CLEANER I would definitely tolerate your artistic freedom and keep my mouth shut on bloating.

I am not showing off for you should see I took 100 lines of code to display "Hello World". LOL. Oh, I am showing off 100 lines. My statement was made in regards that u said Pascal not popular language. I meant to say I consider it popular then for the P code buzz when PC first came out. My experience background is mainframe and I follow my heart to be in Montreal and had not program for quite a  while. It been 13 years and my background is programming even though I work with my hands. Old man to create a nest egg and would have to get in touch with my genius friend to get back on the wagon.or program in RPG. Blue chip companies cannot accept that gap in mainframe. Each language is popular and merit for certain features. Spitbol for string manipulation, Lisp recursive, asmg for speed, etc.

Let stop this thread on bloating for I created a new thread on prototyping zsoft beta. Basically, bug/nuisance in 2.5.

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General Support / Prototyping Zsoft tasklist on beta 2.5
« on: March 17, 2008, 05:15:39 pm »
In development, we create a task-list where we define the task and completion time frame. Now, if we can prototype the design, we can save on coding maintenance. It takes time to program, i/o layouts, maintain, etc. Here my first phase, quick glance suggestion for product improvement. Please feel free to debate and to narrow the choices then we could do a poll if amicable solution not available.

Zsoft application file should be called zsoft rather than uninstall. This name does not properly identify the application association. Also, top level naming methodology.

The word ANALYZE under the magnifying glass should be called Zsoft. It is the main module where all things access and be done. Any user can immediately deduce that it is important to go there. It does more than analyze, it uninstall. It monitor an install (personally, I would call it zinstall to imply that zsoft monitor the install or change log of install).

Temp file finder has a lot of criticism. Backup should be where start button is. Search Tmp file should be the label of this pop box. By using this convention, we can avoid using start search and stop search. The main box is a search and so labeling ireduce to start or stop button label. By saving on real estate display, we have more room for sub folder in our selection and it can be seen. Showing as much information on a file name and/or path assist in our approval for removal process.
Recommend BACKUP, File, START, STOP. This is logical sequence of things from left to right.
- The word EXTENSION should be change to TYPE. By doing this, we have more room to display the file or directory information. Since we are deleting, we want to make sure we are deleting the correct file.
- The word PLACE should be change to a more meaning name. Path or Directory or adopt the standard used by most software. I mention to debate the merit and and for a solution.
-Since filename has extension, it redundant to have TYPE / "EXTENSION".
- OR by removing type in between file name and path, we increase the chance of reading a straight line of important association. Note, file type already mention in file name.
- Modified Time can be change to Modify. For it not only time and day displayed.

Please feel to critique and fight for wording. Just posting personal eyesores.
Rather than be creative, use standard that major software are using. They have full staff to debate and think for us. Familiarity is the key to simplicity.

In empty folder finder, start scan button overlap the L. Size of start button open to debate but I believe in uniformity of the OS system.

These suggestion open debate for additional refinement. I have additional simple suggestion for 2.4 that I dislike - pop up that is the heart of this product. Will provide if encourage for it takes time to type.

Temp file search error not recreated (my initial environment changed).  Anyway, have the bug report log and would send to you. Have a feeling it is an initialization problem.

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We were online for while u posting, I was modifying prior post to your reply to make sure u understand the declaration placement.

My fault.  ;D Your prog assume the English file together. It just a matter of checking prior to retrieving. Note, I am running 2.4 and 2.5 and 2.4 in my start, shortcut. U know me, I hate clicking here and there. So, I took the 2.5 application  without the folder casing. LOL. I resolve very quickly and spent more time detailing the error report. U can quote the as-is liability.
Hopefully, others will read and not make the same. Give me a break for I just install 7 zip and it threw the uncompress file on my desktop and hurry to have supper.

If u agree, why temp file folder, ... in zsoft2.5. Prefer 2.4 and already doing backup zulog,on the same day u confirm.Since revo and myinstaller  are two other freebies and u are a freebie. Why step on each other toes. Revo an uninstaller. Zsoft application uninstaller. Myinstaller complement info on installed programs. Ccleaner, glary, etc specialized in cleaning and they are not doing application unistaller. If u were a commercial product, then I can understand as selling features.

Shredder was just sarcasm on how many products are bloating themselves with that feature. Some don"t mention algorithm and others allow u to set the number of wipes. Me paranoid, I  burn, sledge hammer, acid bath the hd. Me paranoid, I forgot to dispose the new computer and so many sleepless nights. LOL

Was to critique the vaporware rather than the software. Guess I would understand when it is running.

Backup. End of discussion for familiar with other products using that setup. Firefox allows me to rediscover my lost bookmark.

I understand. All those translators going to work. Just do it right and get over it. Translation will eventuaully trickle with correct translation. English, Danish will have.
Now,sarcasm feature to have in install. Zsoft log of install. Install prod has update. Zsoft logs of 2 install (original and update). What do u want in a free product- merging two logs?  Uninstall prod with zulog. Get the new version of install product and zsoft as new install. Hope not on someone wishlist to merge install with update zulogs. My wishlist is lean prog with a clean and fast uninstall .

Borland compiler from genius friend who I have not seen over 10 years ago who introduce me to C. P code Pascal I bought. It unique feature was portabilility and if I recall from canada higher learning - Univ of Waterloo. I have no complain for I was trying to say I can humbly program - Pascal, Fortran, Lisp, basic, SpK/Plc, Spitbol, Algolw, asmg, c, cobol-IDMS-ciics. Love to get hands-on esperience with RPG.  Php for web page to do.

Using avira but u never know when no longer free. That why I mention products in email but since cat out of the bag. Just wanted u access to lifetime update and free like clam, and avg. Would have love to to know if K..y had a free lifetime offer and someone mention to me.

Familiar with bucket software-downloaders. Thought my mouse cursor was the scope due to terminology of hunter. Later, saw the bucket for I did not notice initially. It would have help if I can download the manual  for offline.They put bells but would appreciate some info on algorithm and thus have trust in product. Shredder example never mention cleaning standard. Software has some merits hoping it does better job than ms since I lost zulog.

Sorry about the pizza. Had no breakfast and too early for lunch even though I had nice supper yesterday.

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So long a post :-\ I mention to create a new thread. Zsoft to do scrutiny, Design scrutiny on beta tasklist. U would be surprise on devil advocate in wording on screen display. Look at what I am doing (program update location and wording, clicks,etc)

Software provided  without  express or implied warranty. Zsoft authors and affiliates not  liable for any action arising from use of this software. (This statement temporarily displayed in box above Cancel and Uninstall in Analyze Installation pop-up )
Of course, assume mention in help.

When user mentionl bug, let additonal people report so u will get a better pic of what is the cause of the problem. In testing, replication of bug is important. And that is more important than the bug for now u are able to target and repair bug properly. In my case, downloaded rar file. System new, install my 7zip and need refresher on how to use for it use to be auto. Now, your zsoft 2.5 is decrypted into /beta folder. Inside ../beta folder, I click uninstall (zsoft application file ) and everything is good (zsoft runs with English). So, how did I see installerede programmer hjaelp sag: ryd
info
velkommen til zsoft
Also, language drop down box is kinda blank. How???

Recreation of problem.
In  .C;\user\abx\desktop/beta folder the content (lang, logs, uninstaller help, uninstaller helprus, uninstaller).
As u can see, the /beta folder is sitting on my desktop. To run 2.5 beta, I have to click the folder beta on my desktop and then I click uninstaller (application, 804 kb) and bug free run of zsoft beta.Good.  Please note I have click folder and then click the zsoft uninstaller application.
Since I am testing, I drag the unistaller (application, 804kb) on to my desktop screen to save one click and thus making a one clicker running of zsoft. 8) . Ta da, I get the following message in a box with mouse click response on ok.

(message in english) An error has occured with the language u have chosen (English), you should chose another language.
Also, I get  ...sag, rvd (Is it russian?)

Leave it to me and I always find a bug. Sorry for not being a normal user. Defensive programing requires us to check denominator is not zero before doing divide. Same principle.Initialization.  If u have trouble recreating or understanding, let me know.

Summary (I think) Uninstaller looking for a module but not  in that folder/dir so it runs with Nina Hagen. 99 red balloons.

Zsoft custodian of prior coding. I see free old version software then updated version maintain by others are for sale. Just wondering. U have a chance if u keep your product true as an application uninstaller and not hybrid with cleaner. I have tons of cleaners but one good uninstaller. Now, I prefer the 2.4 for it is not bloated with things I do not want (lean, mean, bug free while 2.5 could be bloated with unnecessary whistles). So many applications offer me a shredder to delete a file when I right click. Guess which one I use? None for I do not want that whistle. If I delete, I delete my hd beyond military standard.
Let prioritize necessary. And if I sleep on this, I can offer u suggestion.

I do not understand the new too/feature specs. It"s foreign. If I understand, then I can give my 2 cents worth prior to u programming -  for it is easier to create tasklist: debate on merit - stick with the plan of important things relating to application uninstall. Think twice and if u really believe it is very needed then implement rather than bloating.
New tool/feature: A merge of the 'scan-registry-feature' in a previous beta (note that this was removed in the final release of v2.4), the 'is-this-the-folder'-feature from when uninstalling and the folder wasn't removed and a new one that scans the start-menu and desktop for leftovers - all as a 'after-uninstaller-scan' (it should also be possible to launch it without a 'real uninstall' so you can use it to uninstall programs that doesn't have an uninstaller, or where the uninstall function doesn't work

I know but had no choice since I lost those 20 zulogs. My 5 cleaners shows there were footprints. When ready, I know to search for idman, idm, and who knows what else. I image my laptop hd to my hd bckup using 20meg. For those reading, I suggest u bckup properly. Vista restore points in queue and lose the needed backup we want using restore points. Alloc disk space for under 15 restore points. Use Manual mode in ms and lose those prior auto points. Oh, use non-vista product to export /image the system completely to external medium will save u a lot of headache. I learn about the short queue the hard way for each install uses a restore point. Clutter will build up in OS over the years and good luck relying on cleaners.

U mention zsoft 2.5 has that feature. Some direction on where to find to use. Tx. Only see your ctrl c, temp and empty finder, and startup manager. Saw the log and backup.  :)
Update: In Install Programs, I see all prog in my computer. Higlighted DAP and click the unistall(icon on top left). What additional algorithm to differentiate from control panel or vendor uninstall?  Saw zsoft use normal uninstall and would be nice to know what checking or discovery for additional clean-up.Tested on beta2.5. Did install and uninstall of DAP on beta. Will beta test zulog on DAP. DAP is download accelerator plus and u pay on increase ip bandwidth cost to dwnld advertising on free version. Will go back to FDM. Download helper is on fox. Curious on 13 mil users and see if IDM had changed. For eg, opera better than fox and told by friend and he is correct but I eval  4 years ago. Fox about:config tweak to opera speed and so my fox is even better than opera with add-ons.
Testing Tools,  Temp File Finder and bug report generated. Bug report is verrry long. Will keep eye by trying to recreate problem. Where can I email this generated bug report? I try sending email mention below and if I receive reply, then I know I have correct email address.

If I lose my 20 logs today or have any problem, I can reload my entire hd image.  8) No ms restore point crap where I cannot get the one I want and it is exported (virus, malware, rootkit, spyware free, love UAC sarcasm).

In Functions. Search for program-updates should be .,..for zsoft-updates. Will argue. Also, it should be place under Help for it is the norm. Look at most software and where do we usually see update, about for version. Do u agree it be there?

I am surprised it is written in Pascal. Just finish understanding PHP, mysql. Saw u the continuation of zsoft product development in help. Look at Pascal a long time ago and it is easy for me to pick up any language. Only language I stay away from asmg for too much strain on my nuggets even thought had asmg 360/370 course. Today work with my hands in Montreal. Little french.

Tx, Since it done, I am happy. If I knew u had done, I would not give u an alternative design and made this post so long. It just placing above statement in the temporarily unused box.(box where u later display registry data , u should know the box. The big box above cancel and Uninstall. This is the better way to go but since u coded, let leave as is.  :)

I have some simple cosmetic changes but do not know if u are too tired, deadline to release, etc. When will u be ready for the task.

Oh, I sent u an email with webmaster address that I saw in your email icon. I avoid the messenger and sent thru yahoo/browser. Hope it went to correct inbox.

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Suggestion
Software provided  without  express or implied warranty. Zsoft inc, authors , and affiliates not  liable for any action arising from the use of this software.

Perfect. U have in the installation. Since u are being courteous and u want to mention to actual end-user, u can use that quote box temporarily displayed  before an end-user click UNINSTALL. Technical writing requires direct command.  I assume zsoft inc is a company, affiliates is catch all like internet provider. "And, the, this" can be remove to fit in your box. Short and sweet is my recommendation. Action or damage is a judgment  choice for I use action to avoid good or bad legal debate-generalizing. It been awhile since I see disclaimer on per-use basis to end-user and good idea to use as declaration.  The fact u have it with colored background makes it stand out. Of course u already know u can use bold but how many ways do I have to make a person notice. Recommend Bold, larger font in existing white background box.

Remember, when user click the check-box on the statement ".. files deleted cannot be undeleted,".  Our  declaration ".. as is ... software". is then displayed in the big box above uninstall.  This action reaction setup makes the end-user notice the liability and they can use the CANCEL or UNINSTALL to continue. Let me know on how u feel and we can work something to satisfy all.

Download your beta and link was mention in your forum. Sorry for not noticing for I was staring at plan changes, changes done by overstrike, and trying to understand new/tool feature.  Since my eyesight not that good, I glance at screen to avoid glare and I behave like most people who reads top and bottom and link was buried in middle. I like bold /larger font for people to notice. No excuse for the link was color coded in my firefox and I guess I am color blind, lol. I looked in software menu and u can put link there if u want for it has a list of products by u to download. Recommendation on link, place on bottom of that posting with Download Zsoft 2.5 .beta 1.0 with larger or bold font for color blind idiots like me who read top and bottom of that posting. Numbering beta allows testers to know u just made changes to beta 1.x. This way testers know when to download without  bothering u and to avoid downloading a duplicate.

Ver 2.X.Z alpha/beta #. X increment usually mean a big change. Z increment means small changes like cosmetic, etc. Alpha means buggy and I do not normally dwnld. Beta depends on the site, author. # increment indicate level in beta. Usually, beta 3 or 4 implies pretty close to final release. Understandably, I do not expect u to mention low level changes (cosmetic) and I would not point out in the 2.5 beta that I downloaded with Danish/English mix. Program in your language, get main logic working, and leave cosmetic change to assistant since u mention long time ago that time is limited. I install your beta version. Oh, I already backup 2.4 zulog long time ago .and tx for info on zsoft internals.

I believe in  interface where even a monkey can use intuitively. I avoid reading manuals but I glance to get an idea. Looking at 2.4, I can offer some suggestion. If product is freeware, u can implement changes today. If meant to be sold as pro version, then implement later.
I am happy to use an uninstall product where I do not need to read the user manual.. Currently,  installed another and hated to read manual and to make matters worse,  I cannot dwnld. to read offline.  Just to let u know, I tried your product intuitively. I like simple product that does the job (lean-size, mean-no thinking, works). Since product is application uninstaller, concentrate on that part of the design. I like snapshot  prior and after install algorithm.

When  zsoft unistall with log, I delete without confirmation. Another product claims to uninstall without using a log is stated by a reviewer that manual delete does a better jjob. That product has a very high download and  high .recommendation like yours. It's bulkier, more bell and whistle, and need digest how to use.  Read the documentation, uninstall without log at highest cleaning level and IDM desktop icon, quick launch icon, and auto-start-up not remove. With no idea of algorithm, I surprise reviewers support favorable considering 3 garbage left behind. I think that application uninstall might have done better job. Lazy to check registry but feeling garbage there.

Since Europe is expensive, may I suggest u put a donor button on your site. If collecting mail donation, encourage no cash to avoid postman sticky fingers and thus insure u receive snail-mail. Sometime people go for convenience and they have paypal.  I do not have.
When I look at e-commerce, it mentioned people can pay with sign fax echeque, or deposit to your bank (careful, make sure  that display account can only transfer to another specific account and only u can withdraw from that other account and in person). If u are rich, u can send to a personal cause and thus do additional good.

What languages do u program in?

If u want to move this link to design, etc.  U post/reply with move link. Tx

PS: Do we agree to reduce left clicking by using above declaration. This design is less coding for u. Also, more professional to have less check boxes.

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Lol, I understand especially when I needed my backup bookmark in firefox or recover secret email while working on it (Forgot the tweak and would set again as time permit for I need to remember how as  I did long time ago). Actually, after my last posting I thought and concur your/same idea easiest (coding and using) for all users. Backup auto as u suggest is fine.

In free software, software makers  not paid for  product and why should they be held responsible on a user error. In install agreement (ie to continue install), there is a denial of liability clause to protect you. May I suggest and I would be surprise if "... do this on my own responsibility :" and "not hold programmerfor...". are not in that install agreement of zsoft. Since u want to remind users the denial of liability, temporarily use that large empty white area box above uninstall to make your declaration of liability. By making a declaration, u save the usage of two variables. Using Bold and larger font in that white area box would make your declaration of liability stand out. If u need more clarification, let me know.  Declare your product as beta level 3 or 4 and that means there could be bugs but kinda stable. Caveat Empteor but we did not pay for your product.

Please do for it just simple matter of saving  variable and it would make your product more user firendly.  If u are lazy, u can use bit masking in one of your setting variable. Please give my left mouse clicking a break.  ;)

Would try your beta now. Where is the download link for the beta? Completed changes for your beta in the forum is correct/upto date?

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Hi admin,
Tx for your prompt reply and love underdog products especially when they are lean and mean. Also, imply easier programming maintenance, well thought algorithm, etc usually. I wrote with wishful miracle and I support this product by stating it works, how to use, and provide info that we might all need. Zsoft internals.

Yes, I agree it would be overkill and that virtual machine might not have some license notebook components. Thus, no guarantee. I evaluated 5 reg cleaners and would put them to the test again eventually. Also, that other recommended program will be put to the test. Eventually, would do factory reinstall in far future. Repetition would make me remember my tweaks and reread articles. Blessing in disguise.

Cannot wait for your update. By allowing us to export/backup zulog on case by case basis, I keep only current applications. Thus keeping my analyzed compare files tidy. In the past I had over a screen of zsoft analyzed installs and I keep the log even though only half that screen is current running applications-. The other half of non-current applications kept on backup hd for on-demand install without need for recreating zsoft compare analyze if I  have that zulog backup. By allowing users to make backup, if they accidentally agree (clicking yes to delete install log after uninstall) would be godsend.

Small mote point, I know u have user click 3 or 4 check-box to remind them that u are not liable with all those prompts.  Can we have only one check-box when we are expert users? I am not that click happy especially when left mouse click is over-use as is. U can still inform with one click button by using bolder typeface, boxing, spacing layout, coloring, time delay execution warning like some window admin application (not recommended for I hate 3 sec countdown and that style of interface can be avoided).  Anything to avoid all those check boxes. If I have to argue, then 4 check-box not enough and it should be  100 check-box.  I think u get the point that we are no longer in the dos age- read  carefully before clicking on one box rather than 100 boxes stating the same idea.

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Hi,
Use this product on vista and allow zsoft to make clean snapshot prior and after install (dont have several things run, open, close, etc and allow zsoft to do its job=clean snapshot prior and after install of monitor application). I used zsoft on over 20 installation and uninstall and it works great and fast on maintain system(tune defrag hd, reg, and little obsolete data). Please note that when u do any install, vista does a restoration point and thus u believing zsoft slow and I have over 200,000 files on 200g hd notebook. This product works period.

Remember those 20 install I have as zulog files, I lost them all. Cannot recall what I did for I was evaluating various vista tweakers, using zsoft stuff that I never used before. Would be more attentive in future to not let this happen by copying  zulog of each install to my flash or backup hd.  How do I get clean uninstall of those 20 application since I lost those  zulog files?

Even if zsoft monitor this install of prior install (of course pror install is control panel uninstall then this 'new' install)  would not remove footprints of those applications. Only solution is obtain zulog from virgin install in similar notebook. Problem is I have only one notebook. Hate to use that other recommended software for I am still evaluating this product for I like snapshot monitoring , and now know how to make backup of zulog (export zulog install).. Oh, factory reinstall of notebook is out of question for I just did and it is very time consuming.,
 (installs, tweak  vista , firefox about:config. manually, defrags, remove demo/trial crap). Quick fix? Is there backup of compared analyze installed?

Just wondering on the internals of zsoft. If I save individual zulog files of application would that be enough for a zsoft unistall? What role files_1, hklm_1, hku_1 which are text files do in zsoft? TX.

Moral is make backup of your zulog if this is only thing needed for zsoft  and one product enhancement is option to save zulog on backup.(export zulog). Tx


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